Comments on: How To Get Pages Out Of Google's Supplemental Index (SI) http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si Frustrated by the often-confusing and conflicting SEO advice you find on the web? The best SEO book is free - stop searching and download it today! Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:56:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: fleet-john http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-14106 fleet-john Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:49:29 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-14106 <p>Yes your info is very good, i hope this way will work well for me, as im suffering from supplemental results for a longer period now. I have one doubt, you spoke about link buddy,it should be only one, or more to a page?</p> Yes your info is very good, i hope this way will work well for me, as im suffering from supplemental results for a longer period now. I have one doubt, you spoke about link buddy,it should be only one, or more to a page?

]]> By: Dan Thies http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-532 Dan Thies Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:31:04 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-532 <p>Michael, you can see a "stale" page in the SI here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US222&q=site%3Awww.seoresearchlabs.com%2F%26&btnG=Search My "terms" page has plenty of links pointing to it, yet it's still in the SI.</p> <p>You're right though, it's hard to find examples, and I think there's probably more than one signal, since most sites have home pages that haven't changed in >1 year.</p> Michael, you can see a "stale" page in the SI here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US222&q=site%3Awww.seoresearchlabs.com%2F%26&btnG=Search My "terms" page has plenty of links pointing to it, yet it's still in the SI.

You're right though, it's hard to find examples, and I think there's probably more than one signal, since most sites have home pages that haven't changed in >1 year.

]]> By: Michael VanDeMar http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-517 Michael VanDeMar Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:25:47 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-517 <p>Dan,</p> <p>Thank you for the welcome, and I will be browsing by here from time to time. :)</p> <p>I would love to hear verbatim what the G rep at SEMNE actually said, I have never even heard of a page being stale as a reason for for supps. I regularly see pages that haven't changed since 1997 out there, never noticed a problem.</p> <p>As to the duplicate content issue, Google themselves actually confirmed it not too long ago:</p> <p>http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/duplicate-content-summit-at-smx.html</p> <p>I also have contrived of a way to demonstrate the point, but as of yet have not had time to finish setting it up. Hopefully soon.</p> Dan,

Thank you for the welcome, and I will be browsing by here from time to time. :)

I would love to hear verbatim what the G rep at SEMNE actually said, I have never even heard of a page being stale as a reason for for supps. I regularly see pages that haven't changed since 1997 out there, never noticed a problem.

As to the duplicate content issue, Google themselves actually confirmed it not too long ago:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/duplicate-content-summit-at-smx.html

I also have contrived of a way to demonstrate the point, but as of yet have not had time to finish setting it up. Hopefully soon.

]]> By: Best_optimized http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-482 Best_optimized Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:13:45 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-482 <p>You can either redirect like Dan has said (the best way because it also redirects any link power) or you can use the robots.txt to block the page you are talking about.</p> <p>Example (works only for Google and Yahoo)</p> <p>User-agent: * Disallow: /*.html</p> You can either redirect like Dan has said (the best way because it also redirects any link power) or you can use the robots.txt to block the page you are talking about.

Example (works only for Google and Yahoo)

User-agent: * Disallow: /*.html

]]> By: Dan Thies http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-456 Dan Thies Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:38:00 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-456 <p>Ray, I don't see a robots.txt solution for your situation. I'd use redirects.</p> <p>Thanks for your kind words, Paul. I hope you'll have some time to participate in this community. I've read the SEO Book, and I have nothing bad to say about it at all... it just serves a different purpose. I knew Aaron before he started writing it and it's gotten better with every update.</p> <p>Jon, if you've got a page in your navigation menus, and it's sitting in the SI, you may be dealing with one of the other causes. In general, when I talk about adding a link from one page to another, I'm talking about using text in the main body of the page.</p> Ray, I don't see a robots.txt solution for your situation. I'd use redirects.

Thanks for your kind words, Paul. I hope you'll have some time to participate in this community. I've read the SEO Book, and I have nothing bad to say about it at all… it just serves a different purpose. I knew Aaron before he started writing it and it's gotten better with every update.

Jon, if you've got a page in your navigation menus, and it's sitting in the SI, you may be dealing with one of the other causes. In general, when I talk about adding a link from one page to another, I'm talking about using text in the main body of the page.

]]> By: Jeff Knize http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-455 Jeff Knize Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:30:26 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-455 <p>Jon, I know your addressing Dan here but... Dan previously mentioned in a video that he does not consider links in the menu nav as an effort. Body copy is the way to go.</p> <p>Jeff</p> Jon, I know your addressing Dan here but… Dan previously mentioned in a video that he does not consider links in the menu nav as an effort. Body copy is the way to go.

Jeff

]]> By: Dan Thies http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-454 Dan Thies Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:30:08 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-454 <p>Michael, thanks for driving by... hopefully this won't be your only visit. Nobody's going to argue with you that we all need to promote our sites and get more inbound links. I mention this in the original post, and there's a whole chapter on it in the book. :D</p> <p>However... I have to say again, that one way to give a page more PageRank is to give it some from inside of your own site. This is easy to do, and getting more pages indexed actually increases the amount you have to "redistribute" within the site.</p> <p>As far as your opinion on the SI and dupe content, I can't buy what you're selling. We've seen it too often. BTW, the Google rep at SEMNE (http://www.highrankings.com/advisor/getting-into-google/) recently mentioned another type of candidate for the SI: "pages that don't change very often." Got one of those myself...</p> Michael, thanks for driving by… hopefully this won't be your only visit. Nobody's going to argue with you that we all need to promote our sites and get more inbound links. I mention this in the original post, and there's a whole chapter on it in the book. :D

However… I have to say again, that one way to give a page more PageRank is to give it some from inside of your own site. This is easy to do, and getting more pages indexed actually increases the amount you have to "redistribute" within the site.

As far as your opinion on the SI and dupe content, I can't buy what you're selling. We've seen it too often. BTW, the Google rep at SEMNE (http://www.highrankings.com/advisor/getting-into-google/) recently mentioned another type of candidate for the SI: "pages that don't change very often." Got one of those myself…

]]> By: Jon Butt http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-453 Jon Butt Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:00:47 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-453 <p>Dan - are menu navigation links counting or do you mean text links written into the body copy? I have an ecommerce site but it's only three months old so I guess I should just be patient.</p> <p>JON</p> Dan – are menu navigation links counting or do you mean text links written into the body copy? I have an ecommerce site but it's only three months old so I guess I should just be patient.

JON

]]> By: Paul Ferree http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-451 Paul Ferree Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:24:31 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-451 <p>What luck! I came here to post a question in the "Chapter 4" section and it's already been addressed here.</p> <p>Dan, I've read your book and I like it better than the SeoBook. Thank you for the "fat free" version to SEO and real steps to follow. Not that I'm ragging on Aaron's book, I loved it too, but your book has given me the broad overview I've needed. I'm a website designer, I don't want to be an SEO expert/consultant. Your book has given me the introductory tools needed to get started. So, thanks!</p> <p>Hope to get more involved in the community as I begin taking action!</p> <p>Paul</p> What luck! I came here to post a question in the "Chapter 4" section and it's already been addressed here.

Dan, I've read your book and I like it better than the SeoBook. Thank you for the "fat free" version to SEO and real steps to follow. Not that I'm ragging on Aaron's book, I loved it too, but your book has given me the broad overview I've needed. I'm a website designer, I don't want to be an SEO expert/consultant. Your book has given me the introductory tools needed to get started. So, thanks!

Hope to get more involved in the community as I begin taking action!

Paul

]]> By: Ray http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si/comment-page-1#comment-434 Ray Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:40:36 +0000 http://www.seofaststart.com/portal/blog/how-to-get-pages-out-of-googles-supplemental-index-si#comment-434 <p>Dan, I do not know how to fix this problem. I have to make the pages using the .html but customers can access the page without entering the .html. I did not know that that is considered to be 2 pages.</p> <p>Dreamweaver uses relative links that result in all internal links being domain/page.html I don't know of a way to change that except by manually changing each link to a fully resolved link without the .html and it would appear that you would lose some of the advantages of dreamweaver that updates links when you rename pages.</p> <p>You and Craig mentioned using robot.txt files and 301 redirects to solve the problem. Can you give an example of robots txt file that would exclude domain.com/page urls but still index domain.com/page.html urls</p> <p>Could you specify exceptions? For instance I have changed all my internal links to my home page to be domain.com versus domain.com/index.html External links have the same URL.</p> <p>This was done not with the the idea of duplicate content but because either you or Leslie Rhodes pointed out that you would be dividing link popularity,page reputation,etc among two urls instead of concentrating on one.</p> <p>Since I am currently stuck with the problem of most of my product pages and some of my section pages apparently viewed as duplicate by google I would appreciate any advice on the quickest way out.</p> <p>What do I do?</p> Dan, I do not know how to fix this problem. I have to make the pages using the .html but customers can access the page without entering the .html. I did not know that that is considered to be 2 pages.

Dreamweaver uses relative links that result in all internal links being domain/page.html I don't know of a way to change that except by manually changing each link to a fully resolved link without the .html and it would appear that you would lose some of the advantages of dreamweaver that updates links when you rename pages.

You and Craig mentioned using robot.txt files and 301 redirects to solve the problem. Can you give an example of robots txt file that would exclude domain.com/page urls but still index domain.com/page.html urls

Could you specify exceptions? For instance I have changed all my internal links to my home page to be domain.com versus domain.com/index.html External links have the same URL.

This was done not with the the idea of duplicate content but because either you or Leslie Rhodes pointed out that you would be dividing link popularity,page reputation,etc among two urls instead of concentrating on one.

Since I am currently stuck with the problem of most of my product pages and some of my section pages apparently viewed as duplicate by google I would appreciate any advice on the quickest way out.

What do I do?

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